Management Fee Increases

ID Status Date Public/Private Industry AHACPA Contact
#12078 Closed public Multifamily Les Sparks
Customer Reply

We have a client who has a 223(f) mortgage and receives no subsides and has no other major programs other than the insured mortgage. Eleven years ago when they obtained the property, their management company was approved by HUD.  This is a 24 unit complex. The were approved at 5% of residential income collected.

What are the procedures to request an increase in the percentage for the management agent? How do you determine whether the project is required to request a review/increase/approval and how do you determine what would be allowed?

Currently the client is paying 5% and and has been for 11 years, but on other (Non-HUD) properties the management company is receiving 8-10%; and the client would like to increase the percentage to 8%.

Thank you.

Les Sparks

Keith, sorry we did not really see this before.  Kathy and I are not sure how we all missed this.

 

Requests to increase the management fee must be approved by HUD.  So far as I  know, you must first determine what type of management fee you already had.  See below or the explanation.  You simply follow those procedures. IN general, I do not anticipate them being very successful in their quest.  Furthermore, if they are generating surplus cash an increase in management fee will only reduce surplus cash.  So, what is the purpose behind this?  Are they charging for bookkeeping fees?  That is another potential place to increase their take of money from the project.

 

Good luck.

 

 

3.24 GENERAL

The provisions in this section apply only to management fees subject to HUD review that were approved by HUD on or before August 1, 1986 and continue to remain in effect. These provisions are referred to as the “hold harmless” provisions for management fees. Figure 3-9 contrasts the fee review procedures for projects with management fees approved prior to August 1986 with the procedures for all other projects subject to HUD management fee reviews.

 

3.25 CONTINUATION OF EXISTING AGREEMENTS

On August 1, 1986, HUD implemented the reasonableness criteria for management fees described in the above sections of this chapter for projects that are subject to management fee reviews. If the current management agreement and fee percentages payable from project funds were approved by HUD on or before August 1, 1986, the agent may continue collecting that approved fee percentage for the term of the agreement. This is true even if the per-unit per-month (PUPM) fee yield exceeds the upper limit of the fee range that the Area Office would use to assess the reasonableness of the agent’s fees if a fee review were being performed.

 

3.26 REQUESTS FOR INCREASES IN PERCENTAGE FEES AT OWNER-MANAGED PROJECTS AND PROJECTS WITH OPEN-ENDED AGREEMENTS

The following procedures apply to projects with active management agreements signed on or before August 1, 1986 that have self-managing owners or owners/agents with open-ended agreements. If the owner/agent requests an increase in the residential management fee percentage payable out of project funds and the fee is subject to HUD review, Loan/Asset Management staff must use the following procedures.

 

  1. The proposed fee percentage increase may not be approved if the PUPM yield under the new fee would exceed the maximum amount allowed by HUD under the criteria set forth in Sections 2 and 3 of this chapter. A smaller increase in the percentage fee may be approved as long as the fee yield does not exceed the maximum allowable amount.
  2. If the proposed increase cannot be approved because it exceeds the reasonableness range, the existing fee percentage is held harmless. Area Offices may not reduce the current HUD-approved residential fee percentage for these projects, even if the yield produced by this percentage exceeds the applicable reasonableness range.

 

Figure 3-9 indicates the following:

Owners

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Les Sparks

AHACPA

(801) 547-0809

 

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Thank you.

Customer Reply

I believe I received the wrong response.

 

Candace

 

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